Dust Devil + Windstorm

[York]

Dust Devil terrain reads: When a model within the perimeter of a dust devil makes a ranged attack or is targeted by a ranged attack the attack suffers -3 RNG to a minimum of 8"

How does this interact with the Windstorm spell orgoth? Which order are they applied?

Does DD kick in first, if a range 10 model walks into dustdevil, reduce to a minimum of 8, and then windstorm reduces it to a possible 5?

Does WS kick in first, reduce range 10 to 7, and then DD kicks in and reduces it by 0 but the minimum bumps it back to 8"?

My intuition says the first one, but I don’t know where the rule that backs that up is.

Can a range 8 model walk into a dust devil and gain range against a windstorm target? Windstorm reducing them from 8 to 5, but Dust Devil’s minimum range kicks in and bumps it back to 8?

[Michael]

I feel like I’ve seen this answered on here before, but I cannot find it in search.

None of the guidelines in the book seem to address this. The most relevant item I can find is the following:

@RNG page 9

Some special rules can affect a weapon’s range. If a weapon’s RNG is reduced to 0 or less by some effect, the weapon cannot be used to make attacks.

But that doesn’t help much in this case.

We’ll have to wait for either @DarkLegacy or @elswickchuck (or maybe even @PPS_Erik ) to provide their input. (Please pardon me for tagging you if that is frowned upon.)

[Septic]

The best we can go off of is rule priority i think. So since both effects resolve at the same time the active player would choose. So presumably they would choose to apply windstorm first.

In the case of a range10 gun windstorm would reduce to 7, and dust devil would not be able to reduce further.

Under no scenario would dust devil raise thr range back to 8" as suggested in the first post because dust devil does not allow you to do that.

[Michael]

Some quotes for reference.

@Active or Inactive Player

If a model is making an attack, its controller is the active player. If no model is making an attack, the active player is the player whose turn it is. In both cases, the other player is the inactive player. When resolving effects that occur “after the attack is resolved,” the active and inactive players remain the same as during the attack until all effects triggered by the attack (see below) are resolved.

@Triggers

Whenever two or more special rules are triggered at the same time, such as “attack hit” or “end activation,” the active player chooses the order in which special rules on their models resolve and resolves them, then the inactive player chooses the order in which special rules on their models resolve and resolves them.

Some effects cause certain conditions of an attack, such as whether it hit or what models it disabled or destroyed, to change during resolution. When resolving triggered effects, recheck trigger conditions as you resolve each special rule. If a condition is no longer met, the effect does not resolve. Similarly, if an effect on one model causes a condition to change on another model, effects triggered by that condition will resolve for each of those models.

I am actually somewhat on the fence as to whether or not Dust Devil and Wind Storm are triggered abilities; it’s possible I am overthinking it at this specific moment. (The key issue there is: okay, if those are triggers, what isn’t? But again, overthinking mode appears to have engaged.)

Nonetheless, I wouldn’t mind hearing from a dev or Infernal on this topic.

[elswickchuck]

In the past it was ruled the minimum it can go down to, due to the interaction of these presented abilities, will be 8

[Michael]

Chuck,

Thank you very much!

[Malkav13]

Previously there was a core rule stating that. For future interactions and questions, can we get some insight into the rules interaction that gives us the 8"?